Femi- nist, nism, nazi?

/ hippocriticali

Feminist? Feminism? Aware? O_o
Well, most of us are familiar with the above mentioned terms. For the rest who are unfamiliar, let me put it very precisely. Feminism is an ideology that shares a common goal, that is, gender equality and utter equality of both the sexes. And feminist is a person who advocates or supports the ideology of feminism.

Quite boring. Right? These remarks are platitudinous. So, what’s interesting? FEMINAZI. Yes, the not so redundant yet powerful word.
Recently, I came across this word ‘Feminazi’. Perhaps, another term coined by misogynistic people in this patriarchal society. Femi-nazi. It probably means feminiss performing nazi-like activities. Do we put men in concentration camps and torture them? Or do we perform brutal lynching of men?
Do we?

For me, this word is quite lame as it portrays nothing but the inevitable insecurity of misogynists. And nothing else. But still, I would like to ask,”Do we?”

-Bhavya

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  2. > Feminism is an ideology that shares a common goal, that is, gender equality and utter equality of both the sexes.

    An ideology is more than just a goal. An ideology is a set of beliefs, ideas or theories that make up a world view. For example feminist ideology consists of ‘patriarchy theory’ which proposes that men have acted as a monolithic oppressor class to women who were ‘acted upon’ as a monolithic victim class. Patriarchy theory proposes that men are an inherent threat to women and to civilised society, either because men have chosen to act like sociopaths for the last few thousand years or because maleness is itself inherently oppressive to women.

    This is quite similar to the Nazi ideology which proposed that jews were acting as a monolithic oppressor class to Germans, and that they posed a threat to civilised German society.

    Both Nazism and feminism promoted a narrative about a threat (men/ jews) and defined themselves as the force in society which was necessary to eradicate that threat and create a civilised society as well as to ’empower’ the German people/ women and celebrate German culture/ female culture.

    The majority of Germans who supported or tolerated Nazism were ordinary otherwise moral people who through they were supporting (or tolerating) a fairly benign or even positive movement. They didn’t see any problem with depicting jews as a threat to civilised society. They only realised what they were really supporting after it was too late.

    The majority of feminists are also ordinary moral people who believe they are supporting a benign or positive movement. They don’t see any problem with depicting men as a threat to civilised society.

    There are many, many other comparisons we could make between feminism and nazism… here’s a couple more.

    Nazism emphasised Germans’ weaknesses and vulnerabilities, while exaggerating the power and control that jews had in society. Feminism emphasises women’s weaknesses and vulnerabilities, while exaggerating the power and control that men have in society.

    This relentless propaganda meant that eventually Germans were incapable of seeing Jews as potential or actual victims. And in the same way most feminists are incapable of seeing men as potential or actual victims.

    Nazis portrayed any criticism of nazism as an attack on Germany, and feminists portray any criticism of feminism as an attack on women.

    If you really want to understand more about the similarities, you only have to google it. There are many articles and videos explaining this topic in more detail.

    But if feminism is really about “gender equality and utter equality of both the sexes.” that’s great. But before I sign up to be a feminist, can you provide some proof of this claim?

    How about you to name ten social, cultural or legal issue that adversely affect men (or give women unfair privilege over men), that feminists are actively seeking to eradicate.

    Or if that’s too difficult, how about just five.

    Or if that’s too difficult, how about just one.

    Also, if feminism is about gender equality then how come feminists do not also identify as men’s rights advocates?

    How come feminists seem to always be actively opposing men’s rights advocates, and the men’s rights movement, and feminists have been known to set off fire alarms and chant loudly to disrupt on campus meetings discussing men’s issues such as male rape?

    > Do we put men in concentration camps and torture them? Or do we perform brutal lynching of men?

    Not yet, but some feminists have floated the idea. These quotes all come from feminists. Just try swapping the word ‘men’ for ‘jews’ or ‘blacks’.

    “I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.” — Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor.

    “To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking dildo.” — Valerie Solanas, Authoress of the SCUM Manifesto

    “The male is a domestic animal which, if treated with firmness…can be trained to do most things.” — Jilly Cooper, SCUM

    “I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.” — Andrea Dworkin

    “Q: People think you are very hostile to men. A: I am.” — Andrea Dworkin

    “Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience.” – Catherine Comins

    “All men are rapists and that’s all they are” — Marilyn French, Authoress

    “Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear” — Susan Brownmiller; Authoress of Against Our Will p.6

    “When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression.” — Sheila Jeffrys

    “All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman.” — Catherine MacKinnon

    “The more famous and powerful I get the more power I have to hurt men.” — Sharon Stone; Actress

    “The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.” — Sally Miller Gearhart, in The Future – If There Is One – Is Female.


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    • Wow! That was interesting to read. Thank you. I was going to ask you for a couple links that further explain what you’re talking about because we’re never taught that the jews were viewed as oppressors in the first place. But perhaps, like you suggest, I’ll just google it. I used to think of feminism as having gone too far with things, but it seems to be something that is continually evolving as more issues are brought to light. I’ve never identified myself as a feminist, because I personally don’t feel strong enough to take on everything that a man deals with in life – not on top of what I’ve dealt as a woman. But the more I talk to feminists, the more they explain to me, the more it sounds like a continual strive to make things fair, but each one is at a different point in understanding what that means. And it doesn’t mean they all agree with the extremists, and from what I’ve seen my local feminists are not man-haters or are at least steering away from that. I usually stay out of the whole thing, as I would probably contradict my self and imply things I don’t mean. Anyway, yeah. Your reply was very insightful and interesting.

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  3. My feminism is not just about my fight or the fight of urban women. It is a fight for every child who is mistreated, every female foeticide, infanticide, every child marriage, dowry deaths, rape and public shaming. My feminism also includes fighting for the LGBT. My feminism includes fighting for men when they are discriminated against.

    I agree that patriarchy hurts men too. Patriarchy makes the implicit assertion that it is right for men to sexually dominate women.. And for men to expose vulnerability, to be weak, is a bad, bad thing. Because we’ve been schooled –by literature, media, and public discourse- to believe that women are the damsels in distress and men are the macho saviours.

    Talking about male rape, I have seen many arguments and discussions where many people argue that men can’t be rape victims. Men being raped is often mocked-it is not even considered a rape. Men being raped is seldom talked about. And this is the fault of patriarchal mindset. Patriarchy is a common enemy.

    Now, talking about the men’s right movement or the trending #meninism , One common chorus is that the feminist movement requires women to be butch and men to be effeminate. There are two sides to the men’s rights movement. On one side, some meninists argue that feminism takes away their agency in many arenas. On the other side, men utilize meninism as a vehicle to further oppress women. This is not to say that men have not struggled. Of course they have. But that doesn’t mean that they’re being oppressed. There is a difference between individual struggles that some men face and the systematic sexism that all women encounter. And yes. I am aware that some women abuse the laws made to protect those in need. But that does not make my argument invalid. So, YES. I AM A FEMINIST AND I DO NOT HATE MEN.

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    • > My feminism includes fighting for men when they are discriminated against.

      Can you give some concrete examples of discrimination against men that you are fighting against, as a feminist?

      Can you name five feminist campaigns or viral videos or hashtags which have fought against discrimination against men? Can you name one?

      > I agree that patriarchy hurts men too.

      Feminism’s patriarchy theory defines patriarchy as a system which benefits men at women’s expense. If patriarchy HURTS men by sending men to war, forcing men to work outdoors or down mines, denying men the comforts and protections afforded to women and children (Women and children first/ He for She etc), denying men equal reproductive and custody rights, forcing men to pay money to women even after divorce, giving men harsher prison sentences for the same crimes etc etc etc then that means patriarchy theory – a cornerstone of feminism – is a load of nonsense……. in which case, why do you still refer to yourself as a feminist?

      > Patriarchy makes the implicit assertion that it is right for men to sexually dominate women

      At no point in history has this ever been the case. Rape and domestic abuse of women has ALWAYS been taboo for men. Men who committed rape or beat their wives were put in stocks or sent to prison or simply beaten up by other chivalrous men. Society was a lot more brutal in the past, but women ALWAYS had more rights and protections than men. Even female slaves were protected from rape UNDER LAW, whereas male slaves were not.

      Yet male rape and male domestic abuse has only been legally recognised as a ‘thing’ in the last couple of decades! And in the past if a wife beat up her husband the HUSBAND was the one to get punished, by being strapped to a cart and paraded around town.

      In a patriarchy men are expected to be dominant only in ways that BENEFIT women and children…. such as going off to fight war, mine coal, build the infrastructure, protect the family from bandits, put food on the table and generally act as a protective shield between women and children and the harsh environment.

      > And for men to expose vulnerability, to be weak, is a bad, bad thing.

      Because men defining their masculinity (their identity) in terms of being invulnerable, dominant and powerful SERVES WOMEN’S INTERESTS the most. If men had emphasised (or even acknowledged) their own vulnerability, fragility, feelings, fears, insecurities, weaknesses, and their desires for comfort, safety and protection then where would that leave women (and children)? Such men would be far less inclined to go off to war, fish the oceans in rickety old boats in rough seas, mine resources out of the ground, toil the fields, work in the dangerous shipyards, build the cities and act as women’s shield. If rugged, dutiful, strong, dominant patriarchal men were such a PITA for women, why did women raise their sons to BE that way, and why did women CHOOSE to marry such men? And why did women only start looking for softer, more metrosexual men this last century… which just happens to coincide with the invention of a load of technology, machines and weapons which perform those ‘macho’ tasks women had for centuries previously assigned to their strong burly men?

      If a meteor struck earth tomorrow and sent us back to the middle ages, do you think feminists would still look for soft, sensitive, metrosexual men…. or would the look for strong rugged, dominant, aggressive men who will be able to provide her with resources and protection even as other starve to death all around them?

      > Because we’ve been schooled –by literature, media, and public discourse- to believe that women are the damsels in distress and men are the macho saviours.

      Quite. It’s called feminism. Feminism has infiltrated all of academia/ media/ culture. Feminism defines women as a weak victim class (damsels) and men as an strong oppressor class. And feminism demands special treatment for women (benevolent sexism) based on this narrative. He for She. Feminists only define men as all powerful and privileged to make men feel they can somehow AFFORD to let feminists hog all the ‘free stuff’ and special privileges and special social programs and laws that society (taxpayers) can provide.

      This is why feminists claim to be about ‘gender equality’ but they show ZERO interest in men’s issues. In fact they actively attack any group daring to raise awareness of men’s issues. The reason why they try to silence awareness of the numerous ways in which men are vulnerable, disadvantaged, ostracised, weak or unfairly treated in society is because to recognise men’s issues would mean having to share some of the ‘free cake’ with men.

      Feminists are the LEAST progressive demographic of women in society. Normal modern women accept the empowerment that new technology (electricity, cars, centrally heated offices, service industries, modern appliances, phones, contraception etc) has given them, and they accept their new status as equal to men in terms of agency AND personal responsibility. It is only feminists who still demand men act as their ‘daddy’ and treat them as weak, vulnerable damsels….. sort of half way between children and adults. Feminism is patriarchy minus the concern for children. “Women and children first” has been rebranded “He for She”. Feminism is chivalry minus the obligation to offer something back in return.

      > Men being raped is often mocked-it is not even considered a rape. Men being raped is seldom talked about. And this is the fault of patriarchal mindset. Patriarchy is a common enemy.

      Right. In a patriarchy men’s role is to protect women and children, even at the cost of their own comfort, safety, wellbeing or even their lives. Men are disposable in a patriarchy. They are sent off down mines or off to war. And if a man is raped that’s HIS business to deal with, because, quite frankly, nobody cares. Feminism embodies these attitude completely, because feminism is how patriarchy expresses itself in the modern era of technology and big socialist governments.

      Is feminism campaigning to end parental beating and abuse of children which is the number one cause of sexual abuse in later life (in males and females)? No, it is not. 90% of women admit to hitting their children and children are more at risk of sexual assault form women than from men. If the feminist movement opposed the hitting of children it would lose the majority of its members… and their funding and support.

      Is feminism campaigning for more shelters for male victims of domestic abuse and rape? No. To do so would pull resources away from women’s shelters.

      Is feminism campaigning to make the courts less discriminatory against men in sentencing (men get 60% more jail time than women for the same crimes), so that the prisons are not so full of men being raped? No.

      Does feminism try to raise awareness of men being about half the victims of rape and domestic abuse? No, to do so would dispel the myth that women are a victim class and men are privileged oppressors.

      Nothing does more to suppress the issue of male rape than feminism, just as patriarchy did for centuries. Feminism is patriarchy.

      > Now, talking about the men’s right movement or the trending #meninism

      You understand that meninism is a parody/ satire of feminism, right?

      > One common chorus is that the feminist movement requires women to be butch and men to be effeminate.

      Not really. That might have been true in the past. But modern feminists are not butch, they are professional victims (damsels). They emphasise their feminine vulnerabilities as if we were somehow still living in a harsh world without any machines, or infrastructure. This doesn’t really work, so they hype up the only threat they can think of to make themselves appear vulnerable…….. men.

      > On one side, some meninists argue that feminism takes away their agency in many arenas.

      You do understand that meninism is a parody/ satire of feminism, right?

      Feminism DOES take away their agency in many areas. Recently a conference on ‘inclusion’ and ‘ethnic diversity’ at a university in London TURNED AWAY WHITE MEN. Feminists politicians in Sweden are now talking about dissolving companies that don’t have a specific number of women on their board (but the factory floor can have as many men as they like). The UN is now talking about women needing NEW LAWS to give them special privileges over men, to make things equal (equality of outcome), rather than fair (equality of opportunity). This is literally SEGREGATION we are talking about, only it is now being done between men and women, rather than blacks and whites.

      > On the other side, men utilize meninism as a vehicle to further oppress women.

      You do understand that meninism is a parody/ satire of feminism, right? Please tell me you haven’t taken meninism to be real.

      > This is not to say that men have not struggled. Of course they have. But that doesn’t mean that they’re being oppressed.

      And that is your moment of epiphany … just waiting to happen! 🙂 All you have to do now is apply the principle of ‘gender equality’ and say the same exact thing, but with the genders reversed. You see, the exact same logic applies to women too. Life has also been harsh for women in the past, but that doesn’t mean women were being oppressed by men. Life was tough for women, for men, for children and for animals…. for everybody! To claim women alone have suffered oppression, while men enjoyed privilege, is offensive, it is self serving, it is disrespectful and it is wrong. All you are saying is that you think you deserve ALL the sweeties that mommy and daddy has for being SUCH a good girl, but not your brother because he’s BAD!

      Feminism is what happens when our reptilian brain wins over our higher rational brain.

      If women were oppressed by men 100, 400, 1000, or 5000 years ago, then that means it must have been preferable for those women to take on men’s more ‘privileged’ roles. And until the last century or so, the role for most men was to be a manual labourer of some kind, working from dawn till dusk out in the fields, or underground, or at sea or on a construction site. Are you suggesting women 100, 400, 1000 or 5000 years ago envied men’s roles? Do you think they wanted to give up their female role around the house (which was hard enough work by itself before modern technology!), and take on men’s work? If not, how where they being oppressed? What possible social structure could there have been in the past that was more preferable to women at the time? And remember it has to be one that would have worked practically. If women 100, 300 or 600 years ago had gotten gender studies degrees and tried to be journalists or social workers or diversity consultants or some other comfortable indoor service industry job, then everybody would have STARVED TO DEATH and we would not have survived as a species.

      If you can’t think of a more preferable (to women) system than ‘patriarchy’ then you cannot claim women were oppressed in the past, can you?

      > There is a difference between individual struggles that some men face and the systematic sexism that all women encounter.

      Sure there is. When millions of men (as young as 18) were sent over the top to face a hail of machine gun fire they were all experiencing their own individual struggle. They weren’t being oppressed as ‘men’. They just happened to be men, that’s all. When men face 60% more jail time, that’s also just individual struggles. They are not being treated collectively that way because they are men. And when males are genitally mutilated a few days after being born, they are all disassociating from the pain as individuals. The long term psychological issues from the trauma and sexual dysfunction they experience for life is not a collective suffering of men, but only as separate individuals.

      Only women can be oppressed as a group. Only women.

      > So, YES. I AM A FEMINIST AND I DO NOT HATE MEN.

      Feminism is a movement which promotes the idea that men are an all powerful, invulnerable oppressor class who pose a threat to civilised society, and that women are a weak, vulnerable oppressed class who deserve special treatment and free stuff to offset their cruel treatment. Feminism does not acknowledge that ‘men’ as a group can be discriminated against or unfairly treated by society, arguing that only ‘women’ as a group can suffer in that way. Feminism demands men (and to a lesser extent non-feminist women) sacrifice a proportion of their rights, their income, their time, their energy and their standard of living to improve the lives of feminists…. as if this were somehow men’s duty (He for She) or their role in life as males (chivalry) or simply their obligation as some sort of act of penance or reparations for crimes committed in the past (the ‘patriarchy’).

      That is not ‘hating’ men……. that is just exploiting them, through a combination of guilt, shame and damseling.

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      • That should have been a post on it’s own. You are quite intelligent. I think everything you say needs to be continually said. As well and alongside the things feminism is bringing attention to. I think it all needs to be continually talked about, considered, and debated. Times are changing so it makes sense that everyone needs to rethink things a bit, and it’s just as important for the men to speak up and for all perspectives to be considered. So I encourage you to continue to make your point as I tend to see things the way you explain them. Though it might be better heard as a blog post as opposed to such long replies.

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